The second holy spirit is a group of angels

The second holy spirit is a group of angels called the church or the Jerusalem above

The holy spirit is described by John as the helper:

26 But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach you all things and bring back to your minds all the things I told you (John 14).
But Adam's wife was described in the same way:

18 And Jehovah God went on to say: It is not good for the man to continue by himself. I am going to make a helper for him, as a complement of him (Genesis 2).

*Now we know that Yahweh is the husband to Israel and the lamb is the husband of the 144’000 Isa 54:5 Jer 31:32 Rev 19:8,9

So the holy spirit is a compound wife 'corporation', or 'incorporated' means a lot of people regarded as one body.  that is a group Collective

In fact God's wife is likewise 144,000 sanctified angels who as a group make up the holy spirit, the house of God, his church.

Angels are spirits 

4 Making his angels [his messengers] spirits, his ministers a devouring fire (Psalm 104).

13 But with reference to which one of the angels has he ever said: Sit at my right hand, until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth on behalf of those who are going to inherit salvation? (Hebrews 1).

31 And he proceeded to fill him with the spirit of God in wisdom, in understanding and in knowledge and in every sort of craftsmanship (Exodus 35).

Since the holy spirit imparts wisdom it must be an intelligent being or beings. Likewise we can deduce that the holy spirit is a living intelligent thing because it can plead for us:

26 In like manner the spirit also joins in with help for our weakness; for the [problem of] what we should pray for as we need to we do not know, but the spirit itself pleads/intercedes for us with groanings unuttered (Romans 8).

The holy spirit does God's ministering and contains ministers, who are holy (sanctified) spirits plural. So the holy spirit is a group of angels.

Hence Paul said:

26 But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother (Galatians 4).

The Jerusalem above is God's heavenly administration which is made up of all the archangels, which is all of the holy spirits. Paul explicitly states that these angels are our Mother, for they give birth to all the new angels. Now mother's plead with father's not to be too hard on errant sons. And that is precisely the meaning of Romans 8:26, the holy spirit interceding with God for the sanctified ones, is the mother interceding with the father for her sons

Heb 1: 14  Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Mt 12:50  For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Lk 7:35 All the same, wisdom is proved righteous by all its children.”

Thus we can speak of the true believers who is conceived by the spirit-word and by the holy spirit, so as to give birth to the will of the Father, is the Mother of Jesus. And Isaiah tells us 62:5: “so shall thy sons marry thee.
The Jerusalem above is the Mother of us all (saints) including the King the Lord Jesus Christ in a spiritual sense for the Jerusalem above is made up of all true believers.

the brethren are the bride of Christ and the Mother is the Sarah Covenant styled “the Jerusalem above the Mother of us all” (Gal 4:26).

the newly born had been begotten by the spirit word (1Pet 1:23). after the birth (jn 3:3,5), it was the duty of the mother (Ecclesia) to nourish the new-born babe with the milk of the word (1Pet 2:2), supplementing it with stronger food as it developed

The Jerusalem above the Mother of us all including the King the Lord Jesus Christ is made up of  all the true believers. And she is the worthy woman of Proverbs 31, of whom it is said: “Many daughters have done righteously, but you out shined them all.“

22  but ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable hosts of angels,
23  to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24  and to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaketh better than that of Abel.

God does refer to a whole nation of people as one person...

22 And you must say to Pharaoh: This is what Jehovah has said: Israel is my son, my firstborn (Exodus 4).

He also refers to the entire church as Jesus' wife, one person in the singular...

22 Let wives be in subjection to their husbands as to the Lord,
23 because a husband is head of his wife as the Christ also is head of the congregation, he being a savior of [that] body.
24 In fact, as the congregation is in subjection to the Christ, so let wives also be to their husbands in everything (Ephesians 5).

So the whole congregation is regarded as being one body, one wife.

The old testament often refers to God as Jehovah of armies or Jehovah of hosts. Well he had an army on earth in the form of the men of Israel. And he had an army in heaven in the form of his holy spirit. For an army is a large collective that acts as an individual.

Jesus said, "Whoever does not hate his father and his mother as I do cannot become a disciple to Me. And whoever does [not] love his father and his mother as I do cannot become a [disciple] to Me. For My mother [gave me falsehood], but [My] true [Mother] gave me life."

The Saviour himself said: Just now my mother, the Holy Spirit, took me by one of my hairs [an angel who ministered to Jesus  after his sacrifice Jesus would have the promised headship of the holy spirit ] and carried me up to the great mountain, Tabor (Gospel of the Hebrews).


So the Holy Spirit is Jesus’ mum.

The Deep/Depth or Bythos Romans 11:33

A Study of Bythos

First a reading from some Gnostic text

He transcends all wisdom, and is above all intellect, and is above all glory, and is above all beauty, and all sweetness, and all greatness, and any depth and any height. The Tripartite Tractate

“While they (the members of the church) were in the Father's thought, that is, in the hidden depth, the depth knew them, but they were unable to know the depth in which they were; nor was it possible for them to know themselves, nor for them to know anything else.” (Tripartate Tractate)


The Greek word Bythos and bathos is used in the bible to describe the unfathomable ways, and nature of the Deity

Rom 11:33  O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

1037. βυθός 

The Deep or Depth Bythos

1037. βυθός buthos boo-thos’; a variation of 899; depth, i.e. (by implication) the sea: —  deep. 

1037. βυθός from 899 βάθος bathos bath’-os 

899 βάθος from the same as 901; n n; TDNT-1:517,89;  {See TDNT 118 } 

AV-depth 5, deep 1, deep + 2596 1, deepness 1, deep thing 1; 9 

1) depth, height 
1a) of "the deep" sea 
1b) metaph. 
1b1) deep, extreme, poverty 
1b2) of the deep things of God 


899. βάθος bathos bath’-os; from the same as 901; profundity, i.e. (by implication) extent; (figuratively) mystery: —  deep(-ness, things), depth. 

[in LXX: Exodus 15:5, Nehemiah 9:11 (H4688), Psalms 68:22; Psalms 69:2; Psalms 107:24 (H4688)*;]

1. the bottom.

2. the depth of the sea, the deep sea: 2 Corinthians 11:25.†

Strong #: 4688 ‑ מְצוּלָה ((1,2) mets‑o‑law', (3,4) mets‑oo‑law');  4688 ‑ מְצוּלָה ((1,2) mets‑o‑law', (3,4) mets‑oo‑law'); 


The True Hebrew word corresponding to Bythos is Tehom (Hebrew: תְּהוֹם‬)

Rom 8:39  Nor height, nor depth <899>, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

"Nor depth" — Whilst pride may lift us up, destroying our humility before God and dependence upon Him, so a feeling of humiliating depression, which may result from failure or defeat, can have a similarly destructive effect, if permitted to influence us. We may feel that God has failed us, that He does not care for us. We may question the goodness οϊ God, or experience degrading ridicule or rejection by our fellows. Faith and hope provide the antidote to either "height" or "depth". Even the dreadful affliction which befell the faithful Job was not able to "separate him from the love of God" (cp. Job 19:25)

Rom 11:33  O the depth <899> of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

God's judgments are a "great deep" (Psa 36:6). His "riches" refer to His abounding grace (Rom 9:23; 10:12). Cp also Eph 3:18,19: "...How wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge -- that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God."

Yahweh's children must manifest the same characteristic, revealing a depth of wisdom of such matters lodged in the heart (Deut. 10:16-19; Joel 2:12-13), not judging the issues of life through the "face" of the flesh

These are seen by a very careful examination of the divine excellence. The word "depth" (Gr. bathos signifies that which is profound; mysterious) indicates that which is vast and incomprehensible (see Psa. 36:6; ICor. 2:20). Mortal man cannot exhaust the greatness of the Almighty, as Job was reminded: ch. 38. The physical evidence of this majesty is seen as much in the vast expanse of the universe, as in the exquisite beauty of the tiniest flower petal.

1Cor 2:10  But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things <899> of God.

Psa 92:5  O LORD, how great are thy works! and thy thoughts are very deep.

Eph 3:18  May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth <899>, and height;

Eph 3:18 in order that YOU may be thoroughly able to grasp mentally with all the holy ones what is the breadth and length and height and depth, 19 and to know the love of the Christ which surpasses knowledge, that YOU may be filled with all the fullness that God gives.

The word depth is applied in the Scriptures to anything vast and incomprehensible. As the abyss or the ocean is unfathomable, so the word comes to denote that which words cannot express, or that which we cannot comprehend. #Ps 36:6, “Thy judgments are a great deep.” #1Co 2:10, “The Spirit searcheth — the deep things of God.”

The deep or depth is the waters above the Heavens 

Ge 1:7  And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

Psa 148:4  Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.

Ps 104:3  Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind:

The deep or depth is also used to describe the deity

Psa 92:5  O LORD, how great are thy works! and thy thoughts are very deep.

Psa 107:24  These see the works of the LORD, and his wonders in the deep.

The Holy Spirit Described As Water

John 7:37-39

Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, "If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink. "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, 'From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.'" But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Isaiah 44:3

'For I will pour out water on the thirsty land And streams on the dry ground; I will pour out My Spirit on your offspring And My blessing on your descendants;

John 4:14

but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life."

1 Corinthians 12:13

For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

The word Pleroma means "fullness". It refers to all existence beyond visible universe. The Parent, the the Mother-Father, the Uncreated Eternal Spirit existed prior to the creation or emanation of the Pleroma. Therefore Bythos or the Uncreated Eternal Spirit is beyond the Pleroma. In other words the Pleroma is the world of the Aeons, the heaven of heavens or spiritual universe. Bythos is the spiritual source of everything that emanates the pleroma.

The Pleroma is both the abode of and the essential nature of the True Ultimate God.

Jer 2:13  For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.

Jer 17:13  O LORD, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the LORD, the fountain of living waters.

The river in Psalm 46:4 signifies the flowing of the One true Deity cp. Psa. 36:8-9 John 4:14 John 7:38-39 Rev. 22:17

All those who came forth from him <who> are the aeons of the aeons, being emanations and offspring of <his> procreative nature, they too, in their procreative nature, have <given> glory to the Father, as he was the cause of their establishment. This is what we said previously, namely that he creates the aeons as roots and springs and fathers, and that he is the one to whom they give glory. The Tripartite Tractate

They were forever in thought, for the Father was like a thought and a place for them. When their generations had been established, the one who is completely in control wished to lay hold of and to bring forth that which was deficient in the [...] and he brought forth those [...] him. But since he is as he is, he is a spring, which is not diminished by the water which abundantly flows from it. While they were in the Father's thought, that is, in the hidden depth, the depth knew them, but they were unable to know the depth in which they were; nor was it possible for them to know themselves, nor for them to know anything else. The Tripartite Tractate

The Father brought forth everything, like a little child, like a drop from a spring, like a blossom from a vine, like a flower, like a <planting> [...], in need of gaining nourishment and growth and faultlessness. The Tripartite Tractate

The Deity who is Light, and with whom is no darkness at all (1 John 1:5), and who is the great Fountain of life (Psa. 39:9), out of whom are all things (1 Cor. 8:6). "From everlasting to everlasting Thou art AIL" (Psa. 90:2). Ail, or El, as it is most frequently transliterated, is the Hebrew word that stands for God in this place. It denotes Power. Power, light, and life, inherent and underived, are the attributes of the Father who is Spirit (John 4:24); 
The source or fountain of power in the universe is one. It is a unit. Therefore, everything which exists is ex autou out of (emanation) Him. Hence the Creator did not "make all things out of nothing." 

The Supreme Power, or Ail, is "the Godhead," or source, fountain, or sole spring of Power. Moses and the prophets do not teach that "there are three persons, three essences, three somethings, or three anythings, in the Godhead; and that these three distinct units, or unities, constitute only one unit or one Unity -- and that that Tri-Unity is the God of Israel." They do not teach this.


By Godhead is meant the source, spring, or fountain of Deity -- the Divine Nature in its original pre-existence before every created thing. He teaches that this Godhead was a Unit --a Homogeneous Unit, undivided into thirds, or fractions.


Moses and the prophets teach "One" self-existent, supreme fountain of Power, AIL who is Spirit, and self-named I SHALL BE, or Yahweh: that is ONE YAHWEH-SPIRIT POWER is "God" in the highest sense, and constitutes the "Godhead," or FATHER IN HEAVEN; and He is the Springhead of many streams, or rivers of spirit, which assume "organic forms," according to the will of the Yahweh-Spirit Power, and that when formed after the model, archetype, or the pattern, presented in HIS OWN HYPOSTASIS, or Substance, they become SPIRIT-ELOHIM, or sons of God; and are Spirit, because "born of the Spirit" -- Emanations of the formative Spirit being out of him. The Spirit-Elohim was also "God"; nevertheless they are created. They are formed and made out of and by that which is uncreated. They are Spirit-Forms, the substance of which (spirit) is eternal; while the forms are from a beginning. Each one is a God in the sense of partaking of THE DIVINE NATURE, and being therefore a Son of God.

the Scripture declares that pneuma ho Theos esti literally, Spirit is the Theos. I say simply theos, because we shall yet have to ascertain the New Testament sense of Theos. "Spirit," then, is the Theos commonly called God. But more than this, this Spirit is the Father; that is, the One ex autou, out of (emanation) whom are all things. This appears from what is affirmed of "Spirit" and of "Father." Jesus says in John 5:21: "The Father raises up the dead and quickeneth," or makes the grave-emergent dead incorruptibly living: and in chapt. 6:63, he says: "It is the Spirit that quickeneth," or makes alive. The Father and the Spirit are, therefore, the same; nevertheless, the word "spirit" is often used in other senses. It is the "Father-Spirit" that Paul refers to in 1 Tim. 6:16, whom no man hath seen in His unveiled splendour. Veiled in flesh, "the Vail o[ the Covering" (Exodus 35:12): he that discerneth him who spoke to Philip, "saw the Father" (John 14:9; 12:45). But, veiled or unveiled, the Father-Spirit is substantial. Speaking of the Unveiled Father-Spirit, Paul says in Heb. 1:2, 3, that the Son is the Character of his Hypostasis, rendered, in the common version, "express image of his person."

Proverbs 8:22 ¶ Yahweh possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
24 When there were no depths Bythos, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains (Pleroma) abounding with water (Aeons). (As the ‘immeasurable deep’: “After these things there is another place which is broad, having hidden within it a great wealth which supplies the All. This is the immeasurable deep.)” 
25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27 When he prepared the heavens (Pleroma), I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth (Bythos):
28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:


29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

The Untitled Text in the Bruce Codex

This is the ennead which came from the Father of those without beginning, who alone is Father and Mother unto himself, whose pleroma surrounds the twelve deeps -

1. The first deep is the all-wise from which all sources have come.

2. The second deep is the all-wise from which all the wise have come.

3. The third deep is the all-mystery from which, or out of which, all mysteries have come.

4. The fourth deep moreover is the all-gnosis out of which all gnoses have come.

5. The fifth deep is the all-chaste from which everything chaste has come.

6. The sixth deep is silence. In this is every silence.

7. The seventh deep is the insubstantial door from which all substances has come forth.

8. The eight deep is the forefather from whom, or out of whom, have come into existence all forefathers.

9. The ninth deep moreover is an all-father and a self-farther, that is, every fatherhood is in him and he alone is father to them.

10. The tenth deep is the all-powerful from which has come every power.

11. The eleventh deep moreover is that in which is the first invisible one, from which all invisible ones have come.

12. The Twelfth deep moreover is the truth from which has come all truth.

http://www.gnosis.org/library/untitl.htm

From the Untitled Text in the Bruce Codex we can see that the deep has a number of different levels or it is structured as a hierarchy

The Multitudinous Christ Revelation 1

The vision concerns one like unto the Son of Man, displayed as a man of many parts, obviously symbolises the multitudinous Christ, of whom the Lord himself is the Head of the Body and the Alpha and Omega

The son of man is a Corporate Being

Verse 13 - "In the midst … one like unto the Son of Man." Not actually the Lord Jesus Christ himself, but a symbolic vision representing the "one body" of Christ multitudinous, the "perfect man " (Eph. 4:13), "the measure of the fullness of the stature of Christ." The voice was "as the sound of many waters," and waters in the vision represent multitudes (17:15).

Each member of that glorious, multitudinous Body will be "like him" (1 John 3:2). The title
Son of Man is very significant. It not only denotes origin, in that every member will be a descendant of Adam, but is also the title of the Lord as judge (John 5:27), and the vision reveals the multitudinous Christ in the work of judgement.

The prophecy of the Son of Man recorded in Daniel 7 (cp. v. 13) is one of judgement.

"Clothed." The first clothing was a covering for sin (Gen. 3:21). The clothing of the priesthood was symbolic of righteousness and a change from the mortal to the divine nature (compare Zech. 3:3-10). Christ's "servants" "put on Christ" in baptism, and if they walk as he walked, they will be "clothed upon” with their "house which is from heaven," that mortality may be swallowed up of life (2 Cor. 5:2,4). Compare Rev. 19:8.


Verse 14 - "His hairs were white like wool, white as snow." The hair represents a multitude who are one with the head. The Lamb of God has washed this multitude from their sins in his own blood. See Isa. 1:18; contrast Isa. 7:20; also see Ezek. 5:1-6; Jer. 7:29; Dan. 7:9. Christ is the head of the
multitudinous body (1 Cor. 11:3; Eph. 5:23), every member of which should be motivated by His thinking (Phil. 2:5). Ultimately every member of the Body must appear as he is, and be united as one to the head (John 17:21).

"His eyes as a flame of fire." "Our God is a consuming fire." The eyes represent the saints in the execution of the judgements written. Compare the wheels of Ezekiel 1; the stone of Zech. 3:9, and the living creatures of Rev. 4. eyes of the multitudinous Christ as flashing with anger. The stubborn wickedness of the world will induce this reaction, so that the "people of the name" (Acts 15:14), are represented as going forth in anger to discipline it (Isa. 30:27). The saints will "execute the judgments written"

In the past, the angels have acted as the eyes of Yahweh, supervising the development and destiny of men and nations for the ultimate benefit of the elect (see Gen. 11:5; 18:21; 2 Chron. 16:9; Dan. 4:17). In the future age, the saints will occupy that position (Zech. 4:10; Heb. 2:5).

"His voice as the sound of many waters," showing that the symbolic ''one like unto the Son of Man'' represents a multitude. "The wicked are like the troubled sea." The purified nations are like "a sea of glass" (Rev. 15:2). "The waters … are peoples" (17:15). But these waters are saved peoples "redeemed from the earth" (14:2,3).


"Out of his mouth a sharp two-edged sword." Another evidence that it is not the Lord Jesus personally that John sees. A real person would have had the sword in the hand like "the captain of Yahweh's army" before Jericho (Josh. 5:13). The word of the Lord will command the sword of judgement in the day of his coming. "He shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips he shall slay the wicked" (Isa. 11:4). Compare Rev. 19:15.

"His countenance as the sun." Not merely his face - his "whole appearance"  (Rotherham), the "general external aspect of the whole figure" (Dr. Thomas).

Compare the Transfiguration, and the words of Jesus, "then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father" (Matt. 13:43). He is "the Sun of Righteousness," and they are to be "like him". His brightness was above that of the sun when he revealed himself to Saul of Tarsus. His aspect was "very terrible." Sun scorching is a figure of tribulation, whether for the saints or for their enemies (7:16; 16:8,9).


Verse 16 - "In his right hand seven stars," explained to represent the "angels" of the churches - that is, the men sent of God to guide and direct them.

The stars are the "angels," and the candlesticks are the churches. "Angel" here, as will appear later, is a noun of multitude, and does not signify one individual. 

Prophecy in the Gospel of Thomas

These are the secret sayings that the living Jesus spoke and Didymos Judas Thomas recorded.

1. And he said, "Whoever discovers the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death."

In all the Sayings in the GTh they mostly start with “Jesus said” that is in the Coptic. However, in the Greek the quotation formulas are given in the present tense “Jesus says” so this means that Jesus lives through his sayings or that the words that Jesus speaks are living saying the sayings that bring everlasting life and to understand his sayings you will not experience death.

At the very start of the gospel of Thomas in saying 2 we are give a prophecy of the Kingdom age and beyond

(2) 1 Jesus says: "Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. 2 And when he finds, he will be dismayed. 3 And when he is dismayed, he will be astonished. 4 And he will rule over the all. And after having reign he shall rest"

We are told to seek and find, in Thomas we are told that we should seek the kingdom of God when we find it (enter into it) we shall reign and after having reigned, we shall rest

This is a commentary on the time table of the second coming and future kingdom. The disciples have sought and found but their rule and their rest will only appear in the future. at the present time the disciples can obtain rest when they can rid themselves of their burdens the time at which the disciples will rule over the all has not yet come

There is also a greater rest after the ruling over the all.  The disciples will rule over the all. And after having reign he shall rest" we shall rest when Jesus hands over the Kingdom to the Father 1Cor 15:24 This saying takes us to the end of the 1000 years rule of Christ on earth and this is the start of the ages of ages

if we look a the saying in the Gospel of Thomas as a sequence we can see a chronological of church history

1. Sayings 9 to 11 are is particularly appropriate to the early days of the church, when the message was being circulated far and wide. This ends with 70 AD which is the start of the new heaven
9)   Jesus said, "Now the sower went out, took a handful (of seeds), and scattered them. Some fell on the road; the birds came and gathered them up. Others fell on the rock, did not take root in the soil, and did not produce ears. And others fell on thorns; they choked the seed(s) and worms ate them. And others fell on the good soil and produced good fruit: it bore sixty per measure and a hundred and twenty per measure."

10)  Jesus said, "I have cast fire upon the world, and see, I am guarding it until it blazes."

In Saying 82 Jesus is identified as both fire and kingdom so here when he throws fire upon the world we should understand that he has come to reveal the knowledge of the Kingdom upon the world.

However in saying 16 Jesus does not bring peace upon the world but fire, war and the sword.

11)  Jesus said, "This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away. The dead are not alive, and the living will not die. In the days when you consumed what is dead, you made it what is alive. When you come to dwell in the light, what will you do? On the day when you were one you became two. But when you become two, what will you do?"

we should understand heaven as political not literal

In the days when you consumed what is dead you made it what is alive

In sayings 10 11 and 16 Jesus is speaking about the trouble in his day, which would lead to the fall of Jerusalem in 70 CE, which is symbolised by the passing away of heaven, we are living in the heaven of the Gospel age right now this is also called the times of the gentiles but it to will pass away. Thus, it is also a prophecy of our own time in which we live the end times.


2. But almost immediately came another age when to the pure gospel of the kingdom there were added many false un-scriptural notions-these are the Weeds. 

40)  Jesus said, "A grapevine has been planted outside of the Father, but being unsound, it will be pulled up by its roots and destroyed."


57)  Jesus said, "The Kingdom of the Father is like a man who had [good] seed. His enemy came by night and sowed weeds among the good seed. The man did not allow them to pull up the weeds; he said to them, 'I am afraid that you will go intending to pull up the weeds and pull up the wheat along with them.' For on the day of the harvest the weeds will be plainly visible, and they will be pulled up and burned."

“His enemy came by night and sowed weeds among the good seed.” The enemy signifies the doctrine of the Pharisees

The “night” signifies: the times of the Gentiles At John 9:4 Jesus spoke of “the night . . . coming when no man can work. Paul also uses the figure in reference to the second coming (#Ro 13:12), where "night" seems to refer to the present age and "day" to the age to come.

“For on the day of the harvest the weeds will be plainly visible, and they will be pulled up and burned." Harvest signifies “the end of the age” thus at the end of the age he would send his reapers; namely, the resurrected believers, his angels, or messenger of destruction, to "gather out of his field"  all the tare-like ones and cast them into the place of the Lord, "whose fire is in Zion, and his furnace in Jerusalem" (Isaiah 31:9). Where there should be wailing, and gnashing of teeth. When this should be accomplished the present age would be finished, and the new commonwealth of Israel will begin  "for He whose right it is to reign has come." (Ezekiel 21:25-27). "Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.


The enemy in saying 57 planted the grapevine but Nothing can exist outside of the Father. The enemy, the Pharisees, the Roman Church is in league with the authorities of the nations, who everywhere stealthily neutralised the teaching of Christ, spreading false doctrines, and scattering wide their supporters, who drew away the people, and multiplied their own number greatly by the energy of their operations and the popularity of their influence.

The father planted the Lord Jesus as the true vine. “I am the vine, ye are the branches.” “Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away”—a fruitless branch, a useless thing.
Here the Lord is speaking of religious institutions of his own day, although we certainly have our own version in modern times. Anytime religion and state are combined, the result is an oppressive environment that places a stranglehold upon the activity of the spirit of truth. In this Saying Jesus is speaking about what happen in 70 CE when the old covenant was up rooted and the rebellious Jews who rebelled against the new covenant and their King. And it is also still to come to the priest and clergymen of the dogmatic Christian churches who have rebelled against true worship and in time past they have even kill true believers
But what orthodox churches of Christianity called the truth was planted outside of the father’s wises in the days of the apostles and Paul also tells us that wolfs will come in and destroy the truth and this gave birth to the man of lawlessness
This grapevine cannot bear fruit (everlasting life) and those in it are already dead not knowing the knowledge of the truth that brings everlasting life.

3. As time went on the Roman church became more and more powerful and materialistic, so that many political forces deemed alliance with the church well worth seeking.  This is the mustard tree with the birds of the air in its branches. 

20)  The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us what the Kingdom of Heaven is like."     He said to them, "It is like a mustard seed, the smallest of all seeds. But when it falls on tilled soil, it produces a great plant and becomes a shelter for birds of the sky."

An essential element in the parable is the growth from seed to tree.  This is not the way in which the kingdom of God will come about.  Its advent will be sudden; if not instantaneous, at least bewilderingly

39)  Jesus said, "The Pharisees and the scribes have taken the keys of Knowledge and hidden them. They themselves have not entered, nor have they allowed to enter those who wish to. You, however, be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves."

The Pharisees here are a symbol of all false Church leaders of orthodox Christianity the churches have lost and hidden them by saying people go to heaven but no one goes to heaven only Jesus.
The keys of knowledge are the one true faith and hope of Abraham the promises made to him so we must have the faith of Abraham for those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham Gal 3:9 who is the father of us all saying 105 cp. Rom 4:11,12,16. Now his faith and ours is this that the gentiles shall be blessed in him and this promises was made to him before the law and his seed who is the Christ


4. Ultimately the Dark Ages set in.  Truth was completely buried.  “The whole was leavened.”


96)  Jesus [said], "The Kingdom of the Father is like a certain woman. She took a little leaven, [concealed] it in some dough, and made it into large loaves. Let him who has ears hear."

this prophecy is to foretell the unavoidable spread of corruption through the church “until the whole was leavened”.  Far from seeing the gospel conquer the world, the Lord expected the world to conquer the gospel

This is a prophecy of the apostasy

97)  Jesus said, "The Kingdom of the [Father] is like a certain woman who was carrying a jar full of meal. While she was walking [on] a road, still some distance from home, the handle of the jar broke and the meal emptied out behind her on the road. She did not realize it; she had noticed no accident. When she reached her house, she set the jar down and found it empty."

The woman is the church and this is a prophecy of the church losing the gospel


5. With the sudden availability of printed Bibles in the 16th century a dramatic change took place. Men discovered Truth for themselves like treasure hid in a field, not because they were looking for it, but simply because they now had access to the Bible..

Saying 109
109) Jesus said, "The Kingdom is like a man who had a [hidden] treasure in his field without knowing it. And [after] he died, he left it to his son. The son did not know (about the treasure). He inherited the field and sold [it]. And the one who bought it went plowing and found the treasure. He began to lend money at interest to whomever he wished."


6. However, since the Reformation sectarianism has multiply.  Today there are churches in abundance.  All of them have some truth to offer.  But there is one which surpasses all others.  This pearl of great price is so manifestly superior that a man is glad to let go all the rest for the sake of this one.  This is the position today. 

76)  Jesus said, "The kingdom of the Father is like a merchant who had a consignment of merchandise and who discovered a pearl. That merchant was clever. He sold the merchandise and bought the pearl alone for himself. You too, seek his unfailing and enduring treasure where no moth comes near to devour and no worm destroys."


102) [102]. Jesus says: "Cursed are they, the Pharisees, because they are like a dog which has lain in the cattle manger, but will neither eat <the food there> nor allow the oxen to eat it."

[today, the Churches that spread the wrong message to gain power and profit for themselves like most Churches that call themselves 'Catholic', 'Christian' or 'Evangelic', Mormons],

[They will spiritually starve, because instead of drinking from Jesus Christ's mouth, they spread lies either because they have their own agenda or they simply just don't see the truth and don't let their 'believers' drink from Jesus Christ's words either]."

7. Before very long the Lord’s sword of judgement will have its fulfilment when the powerful man is killed. 

98)  Jesus said, "The Kingdom of the Father is like a certain man who wanted to kill a powerful man. In his own house he drew his sword and stuck it into the wall in order to find out whether his hand could carry through. Then he slew the powerful man."

the certain man is the multitudinous body of Christ that will kill the powerful man. the powerful man is the kingdom of men


8)   And He said, "The Kingdom is like a wise fisherman who cast His net into the sea and drew it up from the sea full of small fish. Among them the wise fisherman found a fine large fish. He threw all the small fish back into the sea and chose the large fish without difficulty. Whoever has ears to hear, let him hear."


73 Jesus says: "The harvest is great but the labourers are few. Pray the Lord to send labourers for the harvest

8. After the sword of judgement the heavens and the earth will be rolled up in the presence of the disciples this is the end of the age

111) Jesus said, "The heavens and the earth will be rolled up in your presence. And one who lives from the Living One will not see death." Does not Jesus say, "Whoever finds himself is superior to the world?"

113) His disciples said to Him, "When will the Kingdom come?"      <Jesus said,> "It will not come by waiting for it. It will not be a matter of saying 'Here it is' or 'There it is.' Rather, the Kingdom of the Father is to be spread out upon the earth, but men will not accept it."

At the end of the age when the heavens and the earth will be rolled up in the presence of the disciples the Kingdom of the Father is to be spread out upon the earth but men will not accept it. this part reminds me of psalm 2

Yaldabaoth a Political Understanding

Yaldabaoth a Political Understanding 

On account of the reality of the authorities, (inspired) by the spirit of the father of truth, the great apostle – referring to the "authorities of the darkness" – told us that "our contest is not against flesh and blood; rather, the authorities of the universe and the spirits of wickedness." I have sent this (to you) because you inquire about the reality of the authorities. The Hypostasis of the Archons

Since that day, the heaven has been consolidated along with its earth by means of Sophia, the daughter of Yaldabaoth, who is beneath them all.  After the heavens and their powers and all of their government set themselves aright, the chief creator exalted himself and was glorified by the whole army of angels. And all the gods and their angels gave him praise and glory. On the Origin of the World

Since the term myth is widely used to imply that a story is not objectively true, the identification of a narrative as a myth can be highly political:

Myths reflect patterns in the mind and interpreted those patterns more as fixed mental structures, specifically pairs of opposites (good/evil, compassionate/callous), rather than unconscious feelings or urges.

Myths such as origin stories might provide a "mythic charter"—a legitimisation—for cultural norms and social institutions.

Myth is a form of understanding and telling stories that is connected to power, political structures, and political and economic interests.

Political myths simply deal with political topics and always use a group of people as the hero or protagonist

A myth is considered a political myth when the narrative provides an ideologically marked account of the past, present, and future of the political community.

One finds that most Gnostic scriptures take the forms of myths. The term “myth” should not here be taken to mean “stories that are not true”, but rather, that the truths embodied in these myths are of a different order from the dogmas of theology or the statements of philosophy.

Why myths?

Why would the Gnostic text use myths the answer is because of persecution

Gnostic Christians have been heavily persecuted, first by the Roman Empire and for centuries afterwards by orthodox Christian authorities

The Gnostic Christians rejected martyrdom

The Testimony of Truth They are blind guides, like the disciples. They boarded the ship; at about thirty stadies, they saw Jesus walking on the sea. These are empty martyrs, since they bear witness only to themselves. And yet they are sick, and they are not able to raise themselves.
But when they are "perfected" with a (martyr's) death, this is the thought that they have within them: "If we deliver ourselves over to death for the sake of the Name we will be saved." These matters are not settled in this way. But through the agency of the wandering stars they say they have "completed" their futile "course", and [...] say, [...]. But these [...] they have delivered themselves ...
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How does one Interpret the Gnostic myths?

Interpretation should not take place in isolation, of the social, political, and economic factors which influenced how the writers wrote these texts.

The writers of the Gnostic texts were rejecting the legitimacy of all political order, ancient Gnosticism arose as a reaction of a politically marginalized intellectual elite in the eastern regions of the Roman Empire in the second and first centuries C.E.

The Gnostics were explicit revolt against the political structures of their age, and/or that they showed little or no interest in surrounding society, or had even somehow radically severed their connections with society or who were at least completely indifferent to the political well-being and future of society?

Gnostics never made any direct testimony about the political views or activity of these people, but rather in their myths about demiurges. In the mythic characters of tyrannical creator-archons. These demiurgical myths are veiled political protests, calling people who live under such power to rebellion.World-rejection was therefore equivalent to the rejection of the legitimacy of all political structures in the world or the political structure of the Roman Empire.

what if we are really supposed to read texts like the The Apocryphon of John allegorically of the Roman emperors who are also claim to be gods who claim to be saviors of the world who claim to have created the known world in their image and what if this was a major part of the story

for instance, the The Apocryphon of John describes Yaldabaoth political image of the Roman emperor

"Cosmocrator" was the title of the Roman emperor, meaning "lord or ruler of the world", and contemporary Greek thought was, that rulers and authorities, were controlled by demonic forces of evil. The apostle Paul declares that the evil machinations of the emperor and those in high authority can be overcome, by putting on the whole panoply of God, which is described in the verses that follow as: the belt of truth, the breastplate of righteousness, sandals of peace, the shield of faith, the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit. 

Ephesians 6:12&13 - "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood ['haimakai surka'], but against principalities ['archas', 'rulers'], against powers ['exousias', 'authorities'], against the rulers ['tous kosmokratoras'. 'world rulers'] of the darkness of the world, against spiritual wickedness in high places ['ta pneumatika tes ponerias en tois epouraniois', 'the spiritual hosts of evil in the heavenlies']. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God ['ten panoplian tou theou'], that you may be able to stand in the evil day ['te hemera te ponera'], and having done all, to stand."

The Apocryphon of John  Now this weak ruler has three names. The first name is Yaltabaoth. The second is Saklas. The third is Samael. He is impious in his Madness, she who dwells in him. For he said, am God and no other god exists except me,' since he is ignorant of the place from which his strength had come.

Interestingly Samael is the name of the angel of Rome. ancient Jewish texts from this time period as well you get this idea of having the angels that are fighting at heaven that that correspond to the nations on the earth which is why then Samael is equated with the angel of Rome

In the ancient world politics and religiosity are not two separate things they're part and parcel of one another an inner woven with one another and what what might it mean instead of saying you know instead of saying this this horrible material world where these divine sparks are trapped what if this was was about the Roman emperors in particular.

And what if one of the ways to look at Yaldabaoth is this idea of an arrogant ruler God who traps people through the structures of the political system and what does that do and and still asking this question what does that do to us spiritually what might be going on with this and how might it change the ways in which we look at what's going on the text if we don't bifurcate the religious and the political the material and mists and the material and spiritual but really look at the very complicated ways that these these aspects of human life are woven together really in the human person in who we get Adam and Eve in these particular texts
To escape this disorder of the world one can transcend it by extraordinary insight, learning, or knowledge, called a gnosis



Ialdabaoth Greek Ιαλνταμπαόθ Yaldabaoth Hebrew ילדאבהות (Literally "Children of the Void," or Children of the Abyss (depth of the waters) from ילדה = yalda= child; בהו = bohu = void; אבהות = abbott = fatherhood, parentage, paternity).

Yaltabaoth

And when she saw (the consequences of) her desire, it changed into a form of a lion-faced serpent. And its eyes were like lightning fires which flash. She cast it away from her, outside that place, that no one of the immortal ones might see it, for she had created it in ignorance. And she surrounded it with a luminous cloud, and she placed a throne in the middle of the cloud that no one might see it except the holy Spirit who is called the mother of the living. And she called his name Yaltabaoth.

The Apocryphon of John

And when Pistis Sophia desired to cause the thing that had no spirit to be formed into a likeness and to rule over matter and over all her forces, there appeared for the first time a ruler, out of the waters, lion-like in appearance, androgynous, having great authority within him, and ignorant of whence he had come into being. Now when Pistis Sophia saw him moving about in the depth of the waters, she said to him, "Child, pass through to here," whose equivalent is 'yalda baoth'.

On the Origin of the World

Since that day, there appeared the principle of verbal expression, which reached the gods and the angels and mankind. And what came into being as a result of verbal expression, the gods and the angels and mankind finished. Now as for the ruler Yaltabaoth, he is ignorant of the force of Pistis: he did not see her face, rather he saw in the water the likeness that spoke with him. And because of that voice, he called himself 'Yaldabaoth'. But 'Ariael' is what the perfect call him, for he was like a lion. Now when he had come to have authority over matter, Pistis Sophia withdrew up to her light.

On the Origin of the World

In the Gnostic scriptures Yaldabaoth is described as a lion or a lion-faced serpent these are symbols of kings rulers and empires

O Ialdabaoth, who art the ruler of the world, Yaldabaoth is a personification of the human ego manifested in the political heavens

Yaldabaoth (ignorance via the ego) is created when reason follows the emotions or outward senses

The Gnostics held that Yaldabaoth was the lord of this world and dominates the human condition. Yaldabaoth defines human psychological existence. humans are of necessity ego-bound in the sense of being required to develop an individual ego for the gnostics the figure of Yaldabaoth is the shadow of ego development. Yaldabaoth is the archetype that creates and sustains an inevitable development within human consciousness toward the formation of the focal narcissistic ego.

Yaldabaoth represents in us the human will and intellect; this brings about human judgment. A ruler always represents some function of the will. The will intrenched in intellectual learning, giving its full attention to material subjects, is very powerful up to a certain point. The world is full of these Yaldabaoth people. 

They are loath to stand on their own judgment in any matter. When decision is required of them they fly to some oracle. It may be a friend whose good advice they ask, or a medium, or they may even resort to the tossing of a coin or the cutting of a deck of cards. They are willful and they rule arbitrarily. Refusing to bring forth their own good judgment, they become mendacious and tyrannical. The ultimate of this sort of action is a return to the animal-instinct plane of consciousness, as described in Daniel 5:21.

Mankind has observed the characteristics and habits of animals and has applied them in a figurative or symbolic sense to persons, peoples, governments, and organizations. Thus Yaldabaoth is a symbol of human consciousness individually and organised collectively (that is politically) in opposition to God

The lion-faced serpent The "serpent" represents the civil, or military power of the Roman Empire. The word is also rendered leviathan (Isa. 27:1; Ezek, 29:3; Jer. 51:34; Job 41:1), and is used as representing the flesh in political manifestation.

Finally, when Constantine transferred his civil and military headguarters from Rome to Constantinople (previously the very centre of pagan resistance), the "serpent" became identified with the civil and military power of a so-called Christianised Empire.

In the Bible wicked people and nations are described has a lion

.Because of the lion’s fierce and predatory characteristics, the animal was also used to represent wicked ones (Ps 10:9), persons who oppose God and his people (Ps 22:13; 35:17; 57:4; Jer 12:8), false prophets (Eze 22:25), wicked rulers and princes (Pr 28:15; Zep 3:3), the Babylonian World Power (Da 7:4). And the seven-headed, ten-horned wild beast out of the sea, which gets its authority from the dragon , was depicted as having a lion’s mouth. (Re 13:2) At Psalm 91:13 the lion and the cobra seem to denote the power of the enemy, the lion being representative of open attack and the cobra of underhanded scheming, or attacks from a concealed place.—Compare Lu 10:19; 2Co 11

The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.

Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Like the Beast in Rev 13:1 Yaldabaoth is described as ascending out of the sea there appeared for the first time a ruler, out of the waters, lion-like in appearance the beast of the sea

And when she saw (the consequences of) her desire, it changed into a form of a lion-faced serpent.

And when Pistis Sophia desired to cause the thing that had no spirit to be formed into a likeness and to rule over matter and over all her forces, there appeared for the first time a ruler, out of the waters, lion-like in appearance,

The "Seas" Sea is symbolic of nations empires (Isa. 57:20; Jer. 51:13 Rev. 17:15 ). it is

international in its influence; it dominates "the waters," or nations. To rise out of the waters, is to exercise power over them


Yaldabaoth is not Yahweh but represents the carnal mind or the ego

Yaldabaoth is a personification of human nature

Yaldabaoth describes human psychological existence

the figure of Yaldabaoth is the shadow of ego development Yaldabaoth is the archetype that creates and sustains an inevitable development within human consciousness toward the formation of the focal narcissistic ego